Did Humans and Dinosaurs Co-Exist?
Could it be possible that in some remote locations of the world, a number of dinosaurs escaped the mysterious, mass extinction?
Could it be possible that in some remote locations of the world, a number of dinosaurs escaped the mysterious, mass extinction?
Scientists believe that the modern chicken and other birdlife evolved from dinosaurs (an interesting experiment to reverse engineer a dinosaur from a chicken is currently underway LINK) suggesting therefore that dinosaurs, on some evolutionary scale have walked alongside humans.
In 2000, incredibly, divers first caught sight of something amazing - the coelacanth – a species of fish that was thought to have become extinct 70 million years ago LINK , survival for 360 million years on the earth (interestingly, with very little evolutionary progression).
The following examples are interesting: my question to you is – are the examples enough to challenge our current understanding of history? Or, are they simply anomalies that can be explained?
Background
Dinosaurs are thought to have become extinct approximately 65.5 million years ago.
The first genus of primitive ape ancestor is thought to have emerged about 23 million years ago – homo erectus emerging around 1.6 – 1.8 million years ago LINK - and homo sapiens (with modern human features) bursting onto the scene around a mere 130,000 years ago. The time lines are subject to change – based upon new discoveries (as the above link demonstrates).
The first modern human civilisation is said to have emerged in ancient Sumer (the cradle of civilisation) 8000 years ago.
Case 1
Deep within the Cambodian jungle, looking like a set from Tomb Raider is the amazing Ta Prohm temple – built around 1185 AD.
Carved into the stone – is what appears to be a stegosaurus !
Many argue that this is a merely a rhino with the sun, or foliage behind it – this leaves the whole debate open to personal interpretation.
Case 2
In the 1930’s, a large number of stones were discovered, tomb markers in Ica Peru – these are known as the Ica Burial Stones.
Bearing no organic material, they are difficult to date – they are however believed to be between 500 and 1500 years old.
Many of the stones show scenes of everyday life – however some had images of anatomically recognisable dinosaurs, Triceratops and Stegosaurus (shown below).
Some stones were held up to be part of the Ica Burial stone collection in the 1950’s and 1960’s which were clearly forged fakes – many therefore took the stance that all the stones must be fake and dismissed the entire collection out of hand.
However, there was one particular stone which makes it very difficult to dismiss the whole collection.
The stone (photographed and catalogued in 1975) depicts a sauropod with conical dermal spines along its back. See link for sauropod mage LINK
The fact that sauropods had spines along their backs was unknown to palaeontologists until a discovery by Stephen Czerkas in 1992 – with a full report issued in 1994 LINK.
Case 3
In 1945, in the soil at the base of the El Toro mountain, Acambero, Mexico, a few clay statues of a variety of dinosaur types were discovered in Waldemar Jalmud – an hardware merchant.
The figurines were classified as belonging to the Chupicuaro Culture 800BC – 200AD
Further digging revealed over 33, 000 separate figurines. CLICK HERE & SCROLL DOWN TO VIEW FIGURINES. Over 60 of these figurines were discovered to be musical instruments – primitive flutes with up to eight notes.
As in case 2, the dinosaurs uncovered in the dig were anatomically correct in terms of the modern and recently discovered understanding of dinosaur features – these were unknown details in 1945 – Including the sauropod spines as described in case 2.
A preliminary scientific report by Charles DiPeso, based upon an investigation of less than two days (for 33,500 pieces and a huge site) concluded that the pieces were not genuine because they were not marked by digging and they were not sufficiently encrusted with dirt (explainable as Jalmud had washed each piece carefully), he assumed that local families had been paid to fabricate the pieces.
Dipeso’s swiftly drawn conclusions have been subsequently challenged, however the collection has not yet been officially verified.
In conclusion, it has to be said that there is far more evidence to suggest that humans and (larger) dinosaurs were separated by time – however, just a vague nagging doubt remains that perhaps, just a few isolated examples of the pre-historic creatures remained (like the coelacanth and the ancestors of the chicken) to spark the many myths legends and even modern day crypto-zoological tales -The Loch Ness monster / Bigfoot etc.
There are other “evidences” of Chinese dragons, cave paintings, ancient fossilised footprints which are also cited in texts regarding the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs which are interesting but possibly even more controversial than the cases set out above.
A quick question for you – Do you believe in Unicorns?
Ancient texts report a graceful, solitary one horned, four legged creature – there are no fossils to prove their existence, so why should we believe? – Unicorns have been assigned to the realms of mythology despite the fact that the ancient Greek Historian and physician Ctesias, reported them as part of a study of natural history.
Maybe we should not be too hasty in our conclusions regarding ancient reporting! LINK – TAKE A LOOK
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42 Responses to “Did Humans and Dinosaurs Co-Exist?”
On March 14, 2009 at 5:39 am
interesting article
On March 14, 2009 at 10:41 am
Fantastic article! I believe it is possible that we did co-exist.
On March 14, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I know Dr Patton, who took the photos of some of the artifacts you show, and he is a sincere man of integrity. I have also posted some of those images on my site at http://www.fairservicenz.com/dinosaur/dinosaur-1.html#stegosaurus%20carvings%20in%20Cambodian with a short summary and a link to Dr Pattons site.
On March 14, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Love the article. Love the supportive links. I suppose anything is possible, just a few hundred years ago Earth was the center of everything. I think we’ll never have it all figured out.
On March 14, 2009 at 6:00 pm
i think it’s possible,let’s wait and see for more evidence,interesting
On March 14, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Who knows – maybe one day the scientists will finally catch up to the theologians.
On March 15, 2009 at 1:10 pm
An excellent read!
On March 16, 2009 at 6:58 am
the coelacanth found in 1938 not 2000
Stegosaurus meaning “narrow-faced roof lizard”, was named by Marsh in 1887
Triceratops specimen, collected in 1888
not that i disagre but get it right
On March 16, 2009 at 8:07 am
A coelacanth is a fish not a dinodsaur you utter buffoon.
On March 16, 2009 at 8:08 am
Dinosaur i mean, bloody keybord.
On March 16, 2009 at 8:29 am
the first LIVING coelacanth was found in 2000. The one in 1938 was decomposing – and for all they knew the last one of its kind.
The coelacanth not stated to be a dinosaur – just there to show that species can exist undiscovered for many years.
” a dinodsaur you utter buffoon” lmfao
On March 16, 2009 at 9:50 am
I’m not convinced. The blue stone with the “dinosaur” may be interesting though – it looks to me like a glyptodon, a giant type of armadillo which I believe was present when humans lived in south america – in fact like so much else they probably exterminated it.
On March 16, 2009 at 10:29 am
These depictions are clearly fantasy creatures composed of several real animals. Griffons and chimaeras are similar fantasy creatures and don’t exist either.
Birds are the only “dinosaurs” that did survived the KT mass extinction. No fossils of dinos other then birds have been found beyond the KT boundary.
On March 16, 2009 at 11:05 am
Could Pink Elephants also exist as well?
On March 16, 2009 at 2:15 pm
crocdiles, sharks, turtles, spiders, ants etc are all ancient creatures like dinosaurs. no big deal. the past is mysterious and history is all theory.
People trying to prove the biblical genesis are like people trying to prove atlantis and other psuedoscience – they take a lot of real information and leap to completely outlandish conclusions.
On March 16, 2009 at 3:19 pm
If we were to follow the same train of logic then dragons should have existed.
Creationist nonsense.
On March 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm
“Unicorns have been assigned to the realms of mythology despite the fact that the ancient Greek Historian and physician Ctesias, reported them as part of a study of natural history”
A quick Google search turns up an article which quotes Ctesias’ commentary, but then immediately states that Ctesias relied on third party accounts. He had neither been to India, nor ever claimed to have witnessed the animal.
The omission of these details are misleading at best.
On March 16, 2009 at 3:39 pm
the article says Ctesias reported them in a study of natural history – not that he saw them himself
So what is your point- numpty????
On March 16, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The myth of unicorns comes from ancient peoples trading for narwhal tusks. Dinosaurs, like the traditional ones depicted in the stones and figurines (triceratop, stegosaurus, et al) did not co-exist with any humans or human ancestors. Although some descendents of dinosaurs, not just birds, may remain unknown to science.
Also, coelancanths still swim in many places all over the world. Megafauna, i.e. glyptodont, theory by annekeane is feasible.
On March 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm
None of these is convincing, not even slightly. Case 1 is merely similar to the hypothesized appearance of an animal we’ve never actually seen. No other information. Not a strong case. Cases 2 and 3 have to be assumed to be fake in the absence of proof of age. Calling the spines on the sauropod proof of anything is ridiculous. Folk art is full of imagined creatures, often hybridized from other images the artist has seen. I’d call it luck.
It’s fun to think about, but these aren’t even close to being evidence of anything.
On March 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Ryan, cases 2 and 3 are not assumed to be fake, they are KNOWN to be fake. The carved stones were trinkets carved for tourists by the locals, something that they admitted when pressed about their origins. As for the dinosaur figurines, if the fact that locals again admitted to creating them was not enough, the fact that over 33,000 of them were found and only a dozen or so were broken in any way should effectively end all debate on the subject.
On March 16, 2009 at 5:27 pm
look further: “Ctesias relied on third party accounts”.
In other words, he was exactly the same as the vast majority of scientists who rely on the word of others simply because they describe themselves as fellow scientists, (unless that ‘word’ contradicts their own preconceptions!).
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The Ta Prohm ‘dinosaur’ is the most compelling anomaly here: the fact only the first two ‘plates’ (proceeding from head towards the tail) are double rowed suggests the artist actually saw this thing with his own eyes, otherwise purely for reasons of artistic symmetry he’d've felt compelled to render all the ‘plates’ double or single rowed; ditto the clear single horn to the right of its head.
The same goes for the feet: the fact he’s avoided showing all but the right one, again, indicates to me the artist was trying to be faithful to what he saw; and whatever it was he saw, it couldn’t've been a hippo because they were never indigenous to Cambodia; nor was this thing in all probability modelled on a rhino, otherwise where’s the forehorn or, for that matter, where’s the rhino-style toes, things he surely could’ve been expected to’ve been familiar with?
Even if the ‘dinosaur’ everybody notices is now extinct, there’s a possibility the Ta Prohm artist depicted another hitherto unrecognised cryptid in the same image which may still be extant.
If you look carefully at the image you’ll realise the ‘dinosaur’ has its right foot close to or even on the neck of a ’serpent’ with an almost duck like ‘beak’ and chameleonic eyes.
Because the ‘dinosaur’ clearly appears to have similar eyes, some’ve claimed it’s actually a depiction of a chamelon, but if that was really the case the artist would’ve given it slender chamelonic limbs, not to mention’d've rendered it with slender chamelonic shaped ‘hands’ and ‘fingers’ clinging to a tree branch, i.e., they way he or she would’ve been most familiar with it.
p.s. I’m not a fundamentalist, creationist or anti-evolutionist.
On March 16, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Hmmm, interesting article. I like to think they did exist together. But we may never know.
On March 17, 2009 at 2:14 am
I feel that your evidence is ninvalid for a variety of reasons. Firstly, I would like to state this.
On March 17, 2009 at 4:34 am
It’s a fun fairy tale but this kind of “evidence” is too easily faked or mis-interpreted to be used in any kind of discussion on this subject. The science behind paleontology has made sufficient point on the time frame of the dinosaur’s presence on Earth and the conclusion is that there is no possibility of co-existence. Depending on scriptural claims or creationist dogma provides nothing that stands as evidence to the contrary.
On March 17, 2009 at 4:47 am
Some great points S Hayes but Im not sure Im convinced.
RJ
On March 17, 2009 at 6:50 am
And don’t forget, the ancient entertainment series “The Flintstones” clearly depicted cavemen with domesticated dinosaurs forming part of their household.
I’m sold.
On March 17, 2009 at 9:56 am
I love cryptozoology. I think unicorns exited at one point, but we would never know: they were hunted for their horn so their fossils would look just like horses.
If nobody has yet, I would like to mention Mokele-Mbembe, a supposed dinosaur living in the Congo area.
On March 17, 2009 at 1:05 pm
What a fascinating and excellent article. I’ve often wondered if it were possible that humans and some of these creatures shared time together. This one gets a Stumble.
On March 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm
excellant article! Thanks for this I enjoyed reading it!
On March 17, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Interesting article indeed! However, it seems unlikely that just some a few millenia before there were living dinosaurs and now there are none. Also, the bones can be carbon dated, yet there are nowhere as near that recent skeleton and bones finds.. that again, the mystery of ancient times! It is a hard task to interpret old civilizations’ art and what those ancient people who made it had in their minds! lol :]
On March 17, 2009 at 8:58 pm
It goes to show that we can’t believe every theory we are taught – theories get debunked. This is a prime example. Thank-you. j
On March 18, 2009 at 6:29 am
fascinating! I love it. I think everything is possible. With new scientific discoveries, more evolution mistery might come to light.
On March 18, 2009 at 6:53 am
Wow, absolutely fascinating article!
On March 18, 2009 at 7:07 am
Well, I imagine that if dinosaurs in their original forms had indeed survived until the age of man, I think that there would be more conclusive evidence, not conjecture provided by possibly fake stone caricatures. That’s why we should leave all the scientific stuff to the experts.
On March 18, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Great article, it is great debate to have as well.
On March 18, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Another fascinating and controversial article S.
On March 20, 2009 at 7:18 am
This one is especially for Johnny Walker and his sarcasm
BBC Report about sighting of Pink Elephant – For Real !!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7951331.stm
On April 8, 2009 at 2:09 pm
This article is amazing! You use such good evidence that could actually get someone thinking if they might have coexisted! =)
On May 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Is it possible that our scientific calculations could be ‘off’ a bit?
Why are we so dead sure that man and dinosaur never co-existed at any time in any part of the world?! Remember…this is a pretty big world, and there are still many unexplored areas on it!
I, for one, have seen science fall flat on it’s face in the past regarding ‘truths’ that ended up being wrong.
As Science and it’s testing equipment advance in the years to come, it’s possible that someday some of these things that have been interpreted as myth will have to be sheepishly dusted off and presented as fact…and some of our facts will have to be relegated to the “oops” file!
Like anything else…time will tell!
On September 20, 2009 at 6:59 am
mysterious. i didn’t know about such stones and figurines….
On January 3, 2010 at 3:42 am
We all know that Dinosaurs are of diffrent shapes and have also heard that they could walk, fly, swim, hop. The latest soft ware has also enabled to have the virtual motion of these animals.
What if a Dinosaurs could spit its stomach / toxic acid on its prey like the spiting cobras, will these Dinosaurs be called as dragons.
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